tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post5840481069793573665..comments2023-11-03T02:45:14.110-05:00Comments on I Have Touched the Sky: On "The Decline of Hardcore"rowanblazehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06820814610269599162noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-49746369676915765562012-07-19T08:59:17.768-05:002012-07-19T08:59:17.768-05:00Thank you very much for the kind words. :)Thank you very much for the kind words. :)rowanblazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820814610269599162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-70408542530415554382012-07-18T20:49:44.805-05:002012-07-18T20:49:44.805-05:00Those are all really good points! Maybe MMOs have ...Those are all really good points! Maybe MMOs have simply gotten smarter about what they require out of players, and what gamers have gotten smarter about how they spend their time.<br /><br />I wanted to additionally add that this was a great piece to read through, and the comments have been top-notch. Always a pleasure.Nebel Streifhttp://the-republic-will-fall.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-44235209774595901822012-07-18T10:27:52.149-05:002012-07-18T10:27:52.149-05:00I don't know where the original magic number 4...I don't know where the original magic number 40 came from, EQ? The number of players required for a raid in WoW has actaully decreased as subscribership was rising. I never participated in a 40-man raid like the original Naxxramas, but I had a good friend that did (he quit the day TBC launched). According to him, much of the 20+ hour per week he spent "raiding" was actually waiting around for people to get their act together. In other words long periods of time going back to town to repair or replenish supplies, etc. His experience may have been atypical, but even when I raided at the end TBC and WotLK, there was a lot of standing around.<br /><br />Relatively few people raided in Vanilla WoW, partly because it WAS very hard to consistently get 40 people together, so I suppose those people were more hardcore than current raid groups. Easing the organizational requirements for raiding in later expansions and games probably means they are less hardcore, but that is also a reflection of the changing player population and the demands of the subscribership.rowanblazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820814610269599162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-25595022809379834262012-07-18T09:29:28.017-05:002012-07-18T09:29:28.017-05:00All very, very true. As an (attempting to) up-and-...All very, very true. As an (attempting to) up-and-coming professional, I'm super lucky to get in two or three hours of gaming a night, some of the days of the week.<br /><br />That said, I wonder if River is on to something, too. I mean, I absolutely love SWTOR -- but its Operations require nowhere near the number of players that WoW's raids do... or more accurately, <i>did</i>. I also wonder if this is just a function of a game not being WoW -- that there's some sort of critical mass required to even think about requiring so many players be in one place at the same time.Nebel Streifhttp://the-republic-will-fall.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-48428892810587665812012-07-17T20:01:42.500-05:002012-07-17T20:01:42.500-05:00That is possible, but I know a lot of guilds have ...That is possible, but I know a lot of guilds have several raids on farm.rowanblazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820814610269599162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-31272066623946628962012-07-17T16:40:36.439-05:002012-07-17T16:40:36.439-05:00My post was more of a lament, or observation. I do...My post was more of a lament, or observation. I don't think the hardcore MMO'ers are gone, not by a long shot, I just think their are less of them. Me, and my 40 man raid team, raided MC/BWL 6 days a week in WoW, most guilds raid 2/3 days a week with 25 man. Just simple math.Riverhttp://highlatencylife.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-61216395751503297952012-07-17T16:18:26.046-05:002012-07-17T16:18:26.046-05:00I was married with a child through much of college...I was married with a child through much of college, so while I might have played, it wouldn't have been hardcore even then. I could stay up much later back then though. My baby girl was 11 before I was really introduced to WoW. Now she's 17.rowanblazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820814610269599162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-48298679927449989402012-07-17T16:00:37.181-05:002012-07-17T16:00:37.181-05:00Yep, gamers are just "growing up", getti...Yep, gamers are just "growing up", getting jobs, having families, having their free time cut by more responsibilities. I think the last time I was able to "hardcore game" was in college living in a dorm, those weeks after exams where I feel I can go all night. No way I can do that kind of schedule again now. It's only been a few years since then, but I already feel older and sleepier, LOL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-57360534645257100912012-07-17T15:50:46.832-05:002012-07-17T15:50:46.832-05:00Very true. I've also heard that the majority o...Very true. I've also heard that the majority of curent subscribers to WoW are in China, so the audience is changing demographically. A game like TSW simply won't fly in China because of some cultural taboos. Blizzard had to reskin several creatures to market WoW there.rowanblazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820814610269599162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-27150126434730825422012-07-17T15:22:02.453-05:002012-07-17T15:22:02.453-05:00Gamers that were teens when MMOs hit the mainstrea...Gamers that were teens when MMOs hit the mainstream with WoW are now young adults. Life has a way of changing significantly in those years. It does make me wonder what the MMO market will be in the future sometimes. Sure, there are replacement gamer teens, but they have choices like never before with the F2P revolution, indie games and all those pesky casual cell phone games.<br /><br />Tangentially, I wonder what effect the economy at large is having. Highish unemployment (especially for new college grads) and inflation change gaming habits, too.Teshhttp://tishtoshtesh.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-54188776486138357022012-07-17T10:41:13.433-05:002012-07-17T10:41:13.433-05:00EVE.
Which may be east of you, but not in the man...EVE.<br /><br />Which may be east of you, but not in the manner you meant.<br /><br />Also hardcore != grind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-30842113758564223572012-07-17T10:35:00.931-05:002012-07-17T10:35:00.931-05:00/agree
I will say that I wonder if there are any .../agree<br /><br />I will say that I wonder if there are any hardcore *games* left anymore, at least in the MMO segment. And I think there are, you just have to head East to find them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com