tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post6507638190462204711..comments2023-11-03T02:45:14.110-05:00Comments on I Have Touched the Sky: What is Lore?rowanblazehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06820814610269599162noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-74500759757446804132013-08-14T22:36:41.540-05:002013-08-14T22:36:41.540-05:00I will say EVE players are strange bunch. I don...I will say EVE players are strange bunch. I don't think HK and FC would argue that their RP takes precedence over the established Lore of TSW. Even the stuff like the monster book is secondary to the basic premise of conspiracy and mythology.rowanblazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820814610269599162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-53309609547327887052013-08-14T16:56:58.750-05:002013-08-14T16:56:58.750-05:00Just to give some background, I started the post o...Just to give some background, I started the post originally to defend the official lore of EVE Online. One example of that was the game's races, which was offhandedly dismissed as not really being lore - despite the fact that race determines your starting location, basic relations/reputation, and beginning ship/skill selection.<br /><br />It seemed to me to be arrogant or perhaps just misguided to claim that what someone's corp did in system ABCD123 was lore. Much less to claim that it was primary/good lore within the game while denigrating official game lore that had achieved far more impact on literally every player to ever play the game. <br /><br />I have two more points to make in the second post in the series, I hope people will tune in. My cognitive dissonance is going to go up a notch.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-48540774778759950662013-08-14T15:29:19.037-05:002013-08-14T15:29:19.037-05:00I updated the post to include a couple definitions...I updated the post to include a couple definitions from Dictionary.com, if only to muddy the waters.rowanblazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820814610269599162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-3593702122686878342013-08-14T15:22:34.297-05:002013-08-14T15:22:34.297-05:00I would counter that by saying that History is a p...I would counter that by saying that History is a part of Lore. I also think developing the lore and the game environment go hand in hand, feeding off each other.<br /><br />But you're right, if we experience an event personally, it is not lore for us. However, for those that come after, it certainly can be Lore, in my opinion.rowanblazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820814610269599162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4765136501328523372.post-45086482216254508042013-08-14T15:05:45.505-05:002013-08-14T15:05:45.505-05:00I simply don't understand the statement "...I simply don't understand the statement "lore is not really lore in any meaningful sense, unless it impacts the game itself". Isn't that like saying air isn't air unless you breathe it?<br /><br />Surely some, possibly most, lore pre-exists the game? That would be my understanding of the term. Doesn't someone sit down and create the bulk of the lore before the game gets made? If not, how the hell does anyone, artist, designer, writer, have any idea where to start?<br /><br />I wouldn't consider anything *players* do in or out of game to be "Lore" because in my understanding of the term Lore would pre-exist players. Things that players have done that affect the gameworld are "History" not "Lore". <br /><br />Lore seems to me to be, by definition, something we can only experience by being told about. If it happens to us, how can it be "Lore"? It's true that there is some crossover, a grey area, between known facts, history and lore but to conflate them or treat them as synonymous just adds confusion and uncertainty.<br /><br />On this basis I'd agree that players cannot, at least in normal circumstances, create game "Lore" but they can most certainly create game History. Bhagpusshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03499162165023939880noreply@blogger.com